Werewolf: HNZ Birthday edition 🐺

[Amber Chou Wilson]

My current suspects are:

• Zach for the RNG thing
• Brian for derailing and dominating the conversation, as well as implying he has leads we don't have (despite then insisting he doesn't have a special role) mostly by saying things without really explaining why
• Mel, Clara and Soho for jumping on the Cyndi bandwagon
• Clara especially now for drawing attention to potentially the drunk after we said early on this was not very smart...

 

[Amy Rosemary]

Maybe I should stop talking for a while

 

[Luxen Silverback II]

Than other people need to be looked at for the time being, We know that Mia stated she suspected Emzies though it was basically a gut feeling, Emzies hasn't been that active but does have experience and could be a wolf.

I suspected Stan yesterday and Skyler did as well though again it was Day two and neither one of us really provided too strong comments as to why he was suspected (it was mostly like Mia's gut feeling) Skyler could have been killed off for nominating Stan but it could also be a way to throw us off and possibly get an important player.

Currently I'm most suspicious of Clara because even as someone who has never played the game I wouldn't have revealed someone as a potential role if I suspected them of it when it would only help the wolves... and she still hasn't provided a good reason to defend Zach other than a gut feeling which simply doesn't make sense to me in any way.

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

Skyler could have been killed off for nominating Stan but it could also be a way to throw us off and possibly get an important player.

I think that is unlikely. The wolves offing one of two who suspected one of them is way too obvious a move, in my opinion.

EDIT:

Currently I'm most suspicious of Clara because even as someone who has never played the game I wouldn't have revealed someone as a potential role if I suspected them of it when it would only help the wolves... and she still hasn't provided a good reason to defend Zach other than a gut feeling which simply doesn't make sense to me in any way.

Well then we should use posts to figure out who the drunk is, everyone should post more than twenty words, if multiple people do not then likely one of them is a wolf...I made sure this post is more than twenty.

Not saying its exactly the same, and you admitted it was a newbie mistake ... but you did kind of say we had to look at the drunk even if you didn't name names then

EDIT 2: But that doesn't take away the fact that Clara did it after it was pointed out in the thread, and I do think she's very suspicious because of it.

 

[Monty Pendleton]

and there was my mistake ahaha but ah well if my death is useful then so be it. I just went with a gut feeling (which could turn out to be very wrong)

Ah don't worry I was only theorising it's not enough to make me vote right now

I think the main argument against Zach is that he's not been that active, and the only thing against him is the RNG thing. Which is suspicious, but I don't know if it's suspicious enough to say either you OR Zach are a wolf.

Was going to say the same thing. We could end up killing Brian and Zach and finding out they're both innocent, meanwhile we lose 2 more people at night. I don't think one being innocent/guilty is indicative of anything at all


I did notice yesterday when Steven had some suspicion on him, it was quickly moved off him and onto Cyndi. He had two votes, and then Maia and Mel, followed by Clara and Soho, quickly came along and voted for Cyndi instead. It may be worth remembering that, if later on any one of them turns out to be a wolf. There could be an alliance between Steven/Maia/Mel/Clara/Soho (obviously not all of them, but two or more potentially)

Edit: was also starting to find it suspicious how Mel pointed out more than once that she's an experienced player and shouldn't be excluded from the suspect list. It makes her sound honest and innocent, so could easily be a double bluff, and combined with her taking the vote off Steven, if Steven is a wolf then there's a good chance Mel is too I'd say

 

[Stefan Archer]

Than other people need to be looked at for the time being, We know that Mia stated she suspected Emzies though it was basically a gut feeling, Emzies hasn't been that active but does have experience and could be a wolf.

This will sound like an excuse..but i'm just really forgetful. I'm not a wolf, I'm just forgetful. So, I get easily distracts by other things and forget to do stuff.

There is a certain level of suspicion that really any activty or non-activity brings which makes playing tricky. Too much activity, and too much suspicion of others will lead others to believe you rather than anyone else.

I think I need to read back more and thoroughly before casting any judgement or casting a vote in any way.

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

I made a table based off the other one to show voting patterns. I'll post it now and analyze it later. I think we should look at those jumping on bandwagons and perhaps those consistently not voting as well.

IC name	OOC name	Vote day 1	Vote day 2	Role
Zennon Baros	Teigs	X	X	Villager (lynched)
Jace Blade	Zach	Zennon Baros 11	no vote
Luxen Silverback II	Brian	Zennon Baros 3	Stanislaw Kurek 2
Penny Wills		Zennon Baros 5	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 6
Selene Le Fey	Mia	Stefan Archer 1	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 5
Zara Woodlock	Marga	Evangelia Seong 2	no vote
Professor Cyndi Kingsley	Cyndi	Evangelia Seong 1	Skylar Anderson 1	Villager (lynched)
Lysander Summers	Jesse	X	X	Villager (eaten)
Professor Monty Pendleton	Clare	Sara Moon 1	no vote
Evangelia Seong	Adia	Stefan Archer 2	no vote
Poppy Perkins	Kadi	no vote	no vote
Amber Chou Wilson	Daphne	Zennon Baros 1	no vote
Ainsley Lynch	Rowan	Zennon Baros 2	X	Seer/fool (eaten)
Amy Jewel	annabelle	Zennon Baros 7	no vote
Daisy Parker	Donna	Zennon Baros 9	no vote
James Cade	Dan	no vote	no vote
Stanislaw Kurek	Stephen	Luxen Silverback II 1	no vote
Stefan Archer	emzies	no vote	no vote
Amy Rosemary	Clara	no vote	Professor Cyndi Kinsley 3
Sara Moon	Maia	Zennon Baros 10	Professor Cyndi Kinsgley 1
Kard Thomas	Danny	no vote	no vote
Skylar Anderson	Samantha	Zennon Baros 8	Stanislaw Kurek 1	Villager (eaten)
Saira Lykims	Soho	Zennon Baros 6	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 4
Harper Alston	ana	Jace Blade 1	Daisy Parker 1
Sarah Keith	mel	Zennon Baros 4 Then changed to Evangeline Seong 3	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 2

1*Person to instigate vote
2,3,4 ect* people joining the bandwagon in order
X* No vote but doesn't matter anymore / didn't matter then

Zennon has 1 extra vote in this table day one because Sarah Keith changed her vote but I kept counting on from that point partly because I am lazy and partly because it seems something we should keep in mind.

Please let me know if you notice any mistakes.

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

People who have joined the bandwagon of voting for an innocent person early on to get the ball rolling so to speak more than once:

Penny Wills, Saira Lykims, Sarah Keith* changed her vote later

 

[Monty Pendleton]

Man that's amazing

It's interesting to note that Maia, Penny Wills, and Soho all voted for Zennon day one and Cyndi day two. And both days all of them joined the bandwagon pretty late, apart from Maia, who instigated against Cyndi (when Steven had 2 votes on him already)

 

[Luxen Silverback II]

I made a table based off the other one to show voting patterns. I'll post it now and analyze it later. I think we should look at those jumping on bandwagons and perhaps those consistently not voting as well.

IC name	OOC name	Vote day 1	Vote day 2	Role
Zennon Baros	Teigs	X	X	Villager (lynched)
Jace Blade	Zach	Zennon Baros 11	no vote
Luxen Silverback II	Brian	Zennon Baros 3	Stanislaw Kurek 2
Penny Wills		Zennon Baros 5	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 6
Selene Le Fey	Mia	Stefan Archer 1	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 5
Zara Woodlock	Marga	Evangelia Seong 2	no vote
Professor Cyndi Kingsley	Cyndi	Evangelia Seong 1	Skylar Anderson 1	Villager (lynched)
Lysander Summers	Jesse	X	X	Villager (eaten)
Professor Monty Pendleton	Clare	Sara Moon 1	no vote
Evangelia Seong	Adia	Stefan Archer 2	no vote
Poppy Perkins	Kadi	no vote	no vote
Amber Chou Wilson	Daphne	Zennon Baros 1	no vote
Ainsley Lynch	Rowan	Zennon Baros 2	X	Seer/fool (eaten)
Amy Jewel	annabelle	Zennon Baros 7	no vote
Daisy Parker	Donna	Zennon Baros 9	no vote
James Cade	Dan	no vote	no vote
Stanislaw Kurek	Stephen	Luxen Silverback II 1	no vote
Stefan Archer	emzies	no vote	no vote
Amy Rosemary	Clara	no vote	Professor Cyndi Kinsley 3
Sara Moon	Maia	Zennon Baros 10	Professor Cyndi Kinsgley 1
Kard Thomas	Danny	no vote	no vote
Skylar Anderson	Samantha	Zennon Baros 8	Stanislaw Kurek 1	Villager (eaten)
Saira Lykims	Soho	Zennon Baros 6	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 4
Harper Alston	ana	Jace Blade 1	Daisy Parker 1
Sarah Keith	mel	Zennon Baros 4 Then changed to Evangeline Seong 3	Professor Cyndi Kingsley 2

1*Person to instigate vote
2,3,4 ect* people joining the bandwagon in order
X* No vote but doesn't matter anymore / didn't matter then

Zennon has 1 extra vote in this table day one because Sarah Keith changed her vote but I kept counting on from that point partly because I am lazy and partly because it seems something we should keep in mind.

Please let me know if you notice any mistakes.

Based off the graph that puts the three nominees even more in the crossfire.

Jace/Zach because he bandwagoned on day one and didn't vote on day two
Kard/Danny because he didn't vote either days
Stefan/Emzies (I'm listing her since Mia did state yesterday her vote would automatically go to Emzies unless she intervened) because she didn't vote both days

Though we can also look at Saira/Soho and Penny and Poppy/Kadi and James/Dan as suspect for either no votes or bandwagon votes.

Based off these seven who is also considered experienced since we should be focusing on them more than the inexperienced which would be Jace/Zach, Stefan/Emzies, and James/Dan

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

Man that's amazing

It's interesting to note that Maia, Penny Wills, and Soho all voted for Zennon day one and Cyndi day two. And both days all of them joined the bandwagon pretty late, apart from Maia, who instigated against Cyndi (when Steven had 2 votes on him already)

I feel like joining a bandwagon early is more suspicious than really late, as at the point where its late it might be easier to just not vote as a wolf because things are already in the right direction for them


That said, I feel like these are good observations and I agree with the suspicions

 

[Monty Pendleton]

I see why you individually would think all of those people are suspicious Brian, but the wolves are a unit, so if one person is a wolf then the behaviour of the wolf buddies should become clearer reading back. I can't connect Zach/Danny/Emzies (yet) but worth keeping an eye on

That's possibly true daph, but voting late allows the wolves to blend in. There's no need for a wolf to vote early on at all because as long as the target isn't a wolf, they can just sit back and let it happen. Maybe throw in a vote later to go with the trend and be seen as active without standing out

Edit: course they could throw everyone off by being first to vote, which nobody suspects at all

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

I see why you individually would think all of those people are suspicious Brian, but the wolves are a unit, so if one person is a wolf then the behaviour of the wolf buddies should become clearer reading back. I can't connect Zach/Danny/Emzies (yet) but worth keeping an eye on

That's possibly true daph, but voting late allows the wolves to blend in. There's no need for a wolf to vote early on at all because as long as the target isn't a wolf, they can just sit back and let it happen. Maybe throw in a vote later to go with the trend and be seen as active without standing out

I can see both sides maybe everyone joining bandwagons is suspicious

 

[Monty Pendleton]

I'm suspicious, you're suspicious, EVERYONE'S SUSPICIOUS

 

[Amy Rosemary]

I’ve just had another look at your table @Amber Chou Wilson and I’m not sure if this connects them at all in any way, but Kadi/Dan/Emzies/Danny all haven’t voted at all either day.

I apologise if someone has already mentioned this my brain is fried

 

[Luxen Silverback II]

I see why you individually would think all of those people are suspicious Brian, but the wolves are a unit, so if one person is a wolf then the behaviour of the wolf buddies should become clearer reading back. I can't connect Zach/Danny/Emzies (yet) but worth keeping an eye on

That's possibly true daph, but voting late allows the wolves to blend in. There's no need for a wolf to vote early on at all because as long as the target isn't a wolf, they can just sit back and let it happen. Maybe throw in a vote later to go with the trend and be seen as active without standing out

Edit: course they could throw everyone off by being first to vote, which nobody suspects at all

The experience wolf is likely using inactivity to be a shield and it's likely working. Bottom line is people need to be more active when they have a chance... otherwise village will continue getting picked off.

 

[Stan Beckett]

Apologies for disappearing yesterday after saying that I'd be more involved, I got a lot busier with school than I anticipated. I know that not much of an excuse in this game since villagers keep dying left and right... but alas.

I suspected Stan yesterday and Skyler did as well though again it was Day two and neither one of us really provided too strong comments as to why he was suspected (it was mostly like Mia's gut feeling) Skyler could have been killed off for nominating Stan but it could also be a way to throw us off and possibly get an important player.

If I were indeed a werewolf, which I am not, by the way, I'd definitely not target someone who has voted for me, as that would be too much of a giveaway. That being said, since you're the most vocal, I would have gone for you instead to make sure the discussion around whether I'm a werewolf or not would die. ((disclaimer: if he dies during the night, it is not me))

I also saw a couple of post saying that I am a werewolf because Stanislaw is... No, that too would be too much of a giveaway. It'd be right there and people would've figured it out too easily?

In the past day cycle you have suspected Steven Cyndi Emzies and Mia for having been somewhat active and Mia and Steven for having werewolf characters especially, then repeated that and added that you added me as a suspect depending on if I lived or died (which I just saw you edited yesterday) then you @ed Dan because he hasn't posted much in the discussion, then said you suspected Admin as well but also that Zach would be active in case you die. Then repeated Admin are suspicious but added that GMs should be suspect as well (no reasoning for either of these) then @ed me too saying I was suspiciously quiet.

Can we talk about how easy Brian has switched from person to person? I get that you might be enthusiastic about playing but at some point it really just gets suspicious.

I did notice yesterday when Steven had some suspicion on him, it was quickly moved off him and onto Cyndi. He had two votes, and then Maia and Mel, followed by Clara and Soho, quickly came along and voted for Cyndi instead. It may be worth remembering that, if later on any one of them turns out to be a wolf. There could be an alliance between Steven/Maia/Mel/Clara/Soho (obviously not all of them, but two or more potentially)

Edit: was also starting to find it suspicious how Mel pointed out more than once that she's an experienced player and shouldn't be excluded from the suspect list. It makes her sound honest and innocent, so could easily be a double bluff, and combined with her taking the vote off Steven, if Steven is a wolf then there's a good chance Mel is too I'd say

I will not deny that people voting for Cyndi instead (RIP Cyndi) worked in my advantage, and that I am glad that it wasn't me who got killed off, but only because it means that I can get to play a little while longer.

With the seer gone ((let's hope the seer still lives, of course)) there really isn't anything we can do other than wait for the werewolves to slip up and make a mistake that we can easily identify. Right now it's either one of two:

a) the werewolves will target a less experienced person next to make it seem more 'random' which has already happened by killing Skylar Anderson/Samantha.

or

b) they will now continue to target the more experienced players one by one so make it much more difficult for the new ones to figure out the who.

I'm definitely not the best at this game but I'm trying so bear with me people.

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

I also saw a couple of post saying that I am a werewolf because Stanislaw is... No, that too would be too much of a giveaway. It'd be right there and people would've figured it out too easily?

It's not even a giveaway... It's just not relevant to the discussion at all. The IC character you're playing has nothing to do with werewolf roles, as Pheeb picked them randomly. I can only hope the mentions of werewolf characters being suspicious was only a joke... It's not something we can base anything on at all.

 

[Stan Beckett]

I just thought I should mention it as it had been mentioned a couple of times already

 

[Daisy Parker-Taylor]

Honestly this conversation has confused me more than anything ever before
I'm gonna say heck it and vote for Brian because the way he's throwing scents (geddit) in different directions is really suspicious. I dunno. He could be innocent and therefore just doesn't care but then again he also could be guilty and that's why he's putting the blame on literally everyone else.
so either he's guilty or innocent, hope that cleared it up for everyone else

 

[Amy Rosemary]

If I were indeed a werewolf, which I am not, by the way, I'd definitely not target someone who has voted for me, as that would be too much of a giveaway. That being said, since you're the most vocal, I would have gone for you instead to make sure the discussion around whether I'm a werewolf or not would die. ((disclaimer: if he dies during the night, it is not me))

If he does die and he isn’t a wolf and the village lynch you the next day but you end up not being a wolf then that would make it easier for the wolves as they would’ve basically done nothing but turn the village against each other, and there’d be 2 less people (one very active) to get closer to finding out the truth about who the wolves are. This sort of wolf tactic has been mentioned before, and I’d say more but I’m wary as anything anyone says at this point could make them look suspicious.

So that’s why I’m refraining from voting for now, it’s too tricky I think.

As an added note, putting ourselves in this constant cycle where we’re suspecting each other has to start from somewhere, from the most active people, but I’m thinking that’s exactly what the wolves wanted so maybe they’re starting to target the newer players not at random but so that we continue to possibly lynch each other and destroy the village ourselves without the wolves not having done much.


SAME DONNA SAME
Just seeing your post makes me want to vote for Brian because of how he’s throwing the suspicions from one person to other but that’s also part of the game so I don’t want to jump on the bandwagon because I want to think properly about this first.
My brain physically hurts now heh

EDIT: there’s an Alpha wolf, and three other wolves, so my wild guess is that either the Alpha wolf is one of the most active players and the others are purposefully not posting or it’s the other way around. Again this has probs been mentioned before

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

EDIT: there’s an Alpha wolf, and three other wolves, so my wild guess is that either the Alpha wolf is one of the most active players and the others are purposefully not posting or it’s the other way around. Again this has probs been mentioned before

I think this is not necessarily true. The Alpha wolf is basically just a wolf with another name. I feel like despite the name, all wolves are pretty much equal and anyone taking the lead has more to do with experience/confidence than the role, I would guess.

 

[Sara Moon]

I'm conflicted. I don't think lynching Brian will teach us anything at this point, because he's thrown out so many red herrings. It could be purposeful, he could be making it so that his death would teach us nothing, because then we're more likely to lynch him. (*EDIT: As in we won't lynch him if his death teaches us nothing, and that could be a tactic to avoid getting lynched if he is a wolf.) I know people say when they're new they're not sure, but he seems to have a good grasp on how the game works, and I know for me I've played many times and still am not great at this game.

I will vote tomorrow at some stage. I'm interested in hearing where Mia's head is at. I don't know if I'll vote for Brian though I'm tempted to. I think there are too many people he's targeted for us to be able to whittle it down.
The whole "If it isn't Brian it's Zach" thing confuses me. If Zach isn't a wolf, then us lynching Brian would likely lead to Zach getting lynched, and we'll lose a person, or if Zach is a wolf, then they won't kill Zach, so that suspicion will remain around Brian. But then they mightn't either of them due to the same logic of wanting to retain this confusion. So the whole Brian/Zach thing has no logical basis as far as I can see, in terms of it either being one or the other. Both of them have acted suspicious, that doesn't mean that if one is innocent the other is guilty or vice versa.
It makes me want to set the whole thing aside because it's become such a tangle. I think Claire is right about shifting focus, this is frustrating, targeting too many people at once creates too many red herrings for the wolves to take advantage of.

EDIT: Wrote all that before seeing Steven had posted. I'm not really suspicious of Steven, thought him saying he would've killed Steven if he were a wolf was strange, but equally him killing Skylar would've made no sens as we all immediately would've jumped to him. So, I'm not sure what to think, I've yet to see an argument why someone should be lynched that feels solid to me, and I haven't come up with my own theory yet so will hopefully come back with more coherent thoughts tomorrow

 

[Monty Pendleton]

I'm conflicted. I don't think lynching Brian will teach us anything at this point, because he's thrown out so many red herrings.

It'd teach us one thing, if Brian turned out to be a wolf, and that's that Zach is innocent

I think Claire is right about shifting focus, this is frustrating, targeting too many people at once creates too many red herrings for the wolves to take advantage of.

I think we do need to target multiple people, just not the same people every day, cus we're not learning anything that way. The more people we accuse, the more likely we are to accuse a wolf, and eventually work out who is defending who

 

[Amber Chou Wilson]

It'd teach us one thing, if Brian turned out to be a wolf, and that's that Zach is innocent

I think we do need to target multiple people, just not the same people every day, cus we're not learning anything that way. The more people we accuse, the more likely we are to accuse a wolf, and eventually work out who is defending who

Is it just me or is targeting more different people only going to make it more confusing?

I pointed out earlier Brian targeted at least 7 different people in one day before, and all that did was confuse everyone and make it hard for us to make anything of what he was saying. I'm confused why you seem to be encouraging this confusion.

EDIT: I get that we can make connections that way but so far I've been feeling nothing but overwhelmed by possibilities and unable to make much of anything of it, personally. Which is why I'm still suspicious of Brian as I almost wonder if thats a tactic.